Thou shalt not get caught ( the 11th commandment )
It is much that same as things like speeding, cheating, burning garbage, spilling oil: it you do it in fair measure, you will not disturb the order of things and YOU WILL NOT BE CAUGHT, thus fulfilling biblical directives.
If, however, you are cavalier, if you do not recycle, if you populate your planet with SUVs, you will be caught, and in some real measure, you will die.
We, we dumbass liberal talking machines, got all bent because Rumsfeld koaned us with the "some things we don't know, some things we know we don't know, but there are things we don't know that we don't know" and that is a perfect and reasonable statement that could have come out of Rubin in the Clinton administration: it is zen, it is existentialism, and out of the mouths of babes, etc... I don't like Rumsfelds policies, and I don't like Bushes policies and that has nothing to do with whether I like them or not: they are there to do the job of the gods, and if you can't hack it, you have to go. You may go back to your ranch, you may go back to your yacht (gads, how DO you spell that thing... boat?)... and that's OK, but you can't stay here!
Now, to Rumsfeld: the are things we know we don't know, and that's when we put some real hurt on the guy or gal that does not want to tell us what we really really really need to know. It is absolute high church nonsensical detached reality that will not do what is needed.
Now, to the 11th commandment: if you are stupid, and you just beat the shit out of everyone that comes in the door, and you do not use even the semblance of judgment, you are caught. And you should die. You broke the 11th.
Now, I would be willing to torture Terry Jones for this. Not much, but just a little, to help him see that there is a cost to creating stupid and dangerous realities in writing. This is high church crap.However, on the reasoning noted herein: it is in math what we call the empty set: that is, those actions that could actually be torture, ie the pointless infliction of pain without any excuse: there is no such thing. There can always be a purpose. There is always a reason, as Chris Rock says: it may not be a good reason, but there is a reason.
In matters of morality, well, torture can be anything. But this is law, and torture needs to be defined. And it is not funny to pick on the law when it needs to be defined and applied (it is fair to look at a stupid law and call it what it is.)
Torture has to be limited, it has to be well founded in suspicion, it has to be carried out with skill, it should NOT damage the person but all bets are off when one is 1) pretty sure you've got the guy 2) pretty sure the guy has info 3) pretty sure that if you do not get the info, there is going to be a storm of damage.
If you are stupid, if you are not civilized, indeed, if you don't have enough money, you just torture everyone and see which one goes: sort of like putting all the small stones into hot oil and seeing which one is the popcorn.
Besides, there is simply no NEED to physically damage someone to inflict pain!
Is there some logic to letting the info slip? Do people not know that it is NOT good to go to jail because you can get raped? Does it count to know that if you get caught, you are going to be hurt?
Torture without purpose (except just the sheer joy of it) is called sadism.